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Info-Hams Digest            Sun, 31 Oct 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1297

Today's Topics:
                     Amateur Radio Newsline #846
                            BAUD VS BAUDS
                 Bird watt-meters can't be exported?
        Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 31 October
                     How to read Geophysical Data
                      Studying in San Francisco

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 22:42:19 MDT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ugc!nebulus!ve6mgs![e-mail]
Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline #846
To: [e-mail]

The electronic edition of Amateur Radio Newsline is transcribed from source
material by Dale Cary.  Newsline is reprinted here courtesy of Bill
Pasternak, WA6ITF, Editor of Newsline.   Editorial comment should be
E-mailed to [e-mail] or [e-mail].  Voice or
FAX to [phone].

 NEWSLINE RADIO - CBBS EDITION #96 - POSTED 10/29/93

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    The following is late news about Amateur Radio for Radio
 Amateurs as prepared from NEWSLINE RADIO scripts by the staff of
 the AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE, INC. -- formerly the WESTLINK RADIO
 NETWORK.  The electronic version of newsline is posted on this
 CBBS twice monthly.  For current information updates, please call
 [phone], [phone], [phone], [phone],
 or [phone].  For the latest breaking info call the Instant
 Update Line at [phone].  To provide information please
 call [phone].  This line answers automatically and will
 accept up to 30 minutes of material.

    Check with your local amateur radio club to see if NEWSLINE
 can be heard weekly on the air in your area.

    Articles may be reproduced if printed in their entirety and
 credit is given to AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE as being the source.

    For further information about the AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE,
 please write to us with an SASE at P.O. Box 463, Pasadena, CA
 91102.

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 [846]
 * * * *   C L O S E D   C I R C U I T   A D V I S O R Y   * * * *
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 *    The following is a closed circuit advisory and is NOT for  *
 *  transmission on amateur radio.  Repeat, not for broadcast.   *
 *  This is just a reminder that the address for the Newsline    *
 *  Support Fund is Newsline, in care of Dr. Norm Chalfin,       *
 *  K6PGX, Post Office Box 463, Pasadena, California 91102.      *
 *  Again, and as always, we thank you                           *
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                      INSTANT LICENSE PROPOSED

    The FCC has proposed what amounts to an instant ham radio
 license for new hams.  In reality its actually a form of
 temporary operating authority to unlicensed persons who pass the
 examination for a new amateur operator license, and it signifies
 a major change in the attitude of the commission toward getting
 newly tested operators on the air.
    The new system would work this way.  The temporary operating
 authority would begin when the exam is passed and an application
 for a license is filed, and last until a full-term license is
 received from the FCC, but not more than 120 days.  The temporary
 operating authority would not be available to anyone whose
 license has been revoked or suspended or who has been involved in
 other enforcement proceedings before the FCC.  Under the
 proposal, the Commission also would reserve the right to cancel
 such temporary operating authority without a hearing if a need to
 do so arose.
    Those operating under the proposed new rules would use call
 signs determined by the initials of their name and by their
 mailing address.  The prefix for each such call sign would be WZ
 followed by a number indicating the appropriate Volunteer
 Examiner Coordinator region.
    The Commission said it believes this system would be useful to
 the amateur community, yet practical to implement.  It also said
 that it was making the overture to better serve new amateurs and
 to increase productivity in the processing of license
 applications.
    The proposal, assigned PR Docket 93-267, was based on a
 petition for rule making made in July by the Western Carolina
 Amateur Radio Society V.E.C. of Knoxville, Tennessee with the
 previous designation of RM-8288.

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                         FCC AWARD TO HAM

    A real-life ham radio hero has been honored by the FCC.  The
 regulatory agency has presented a bronze plaque of appreciation
 to Melvin I. Woods, KN4ZT, of Annandale, Virginia.  Woods was
 cited by the Commission for what it called outstanding assistance
 in solving a false distress signal case in 1992.
    The case involved a phony S.O.S. sent out on 14.313 MHz back
 in August 1992.  The FCC said Woods not only provided important
 information at the time but also cooperated with the agency in
 its subsequent investigation.
    Woods, 58, served in the U.S. Navy from 1952 to 1976 and is a
 former Senior Chief Radioman and Chief Electronics Technician.
 He was first licensed as a Novice in 1953 and currently holds the
 Amateur Extra Class license.
    At the awards ceremony Woods also received the U.S. Coast
 Guard Public Service Award from Rear Admiral William J. Ecker.

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                             CB BUST

    The FCC is not wasting any time in issuing fines under its new
 monetary forfeiture schedule. As reported last week, the
 commission can now ding a violator up to twenty thousand dollars
 for a first offense and that's exactly what has happened to some
 alleged part 95 violators.
    About a dozen accused marketers of illegal equipment targeted
 at the Class D eleven meter band have each been fined between six
 thousand and twenty thousand dollars by the FCC.  The commission
 says that the stores in question are located in California,
 Colorado, Florida, Louisiana, Michigan, Texas, and Washington
 state.  The FCC says that they were all engaged in the sale of
 illegal CB radios or linear power amplifiers for the 11 meter
 band.
    In addition, several firms were fined seven thousand dollars
 each for allegedly marketing non FCC certified personal
 computers and unauthorized UHF modulators and transmitters that
 operate on television channels fourteen through twenty six.
    At airtime it is not known if any appeals have been filed by
 those fined in this latest FCC action.

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                             LA FIRES

    A 2000 acre fire storm fanned by Santa Ana winds has taken
 several southern California repeaters off the air.  The ham radio
 relay equipment along with several emergency service repeaters
 and an FM radio station was destroyed when flames ignited a
 private residence atop Rasno peak in Ventura County.  The
 destruction of the radio site occurred on Tuesday, October the
 26th.
    Since then, hundreds of hams all over the state have been
 pressed into service as wildfires continue to rage.  As we go to
 air there are well over a half dozen fires still burning and some
 radio amateurs have already been working fire related emergency
 communications non-stop for several days.
    More on this story, next week.

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                         MORE SAREX QSO'S

    Heres an update on the Sarex ham radio space shuttle flight
 now underway.  The SAREX Working Group has asked the Shuttle crew
 to set some extra time aside for general FM Voice QSO
 opportunities.  These times were originally scheduled as backup
 school group passes and run from 1635 to 1642 UTC on Friday
 October 29th, and from 13:22 to 13:34 UTC on Saturday October
 30th.
    All Sarex operation is split frequency.  The Shuttle downlink
 frequency for voice and packet is 145.55 MHz.  This is a receive
 only frequency.  Voice uplink frequencies for all areas except
 Europe are 144.91, 144.93, 144.95, 144.97 and 144.99 MHz.
 Europeans should transmit voice on 144.70, 144.75 and 144.80 MHz
 and avoid the other channels.  The worldwide packet transmit
 frequency is 144.49 MHz and the packet call sign is W5RRR-1.
    The mission is scheduled to end with a landing at Edwards Air
 Force Base in California at 1522 UTC on Monday November 1st.

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                     PERRY WILLIAMS RETIRING

    ARRL Washington Area Coordinator Perry Williams, W1UED, has
 announced that he will retire in April of 1994.  This, after 40
 years of service for the League.  He is currently the staff
 member with the longest tenure of Headquarters service.
    Williams, who is 65, began his ARRL career in 1954 in the now
 disbanded Secretarial Department.  He next served in the
 Membership Services Department when the League Headquarters was
 located in West Hartford and became Washington Area Coordinator
 in 1980.
    No successor to the Washington Area Coordinators post has yet
 been named.

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                           SHRINER NET

    The Shriners net meets every thursday night at 2300 UTC.  It
 originates from Shriners Hospital for crippled children in
 Philadelphia on 14.328 Mhz.  You don't have to be a Shriner to
 participate.  It is operated by LuLu temple radio unit, and is
 designed to teach the patients about ham radio, and communicate
 with other Shrine hospitals throughout the United States.

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                       PACKET FOR THE DEAF

    If you know someone who is deaf and interested in using packet
 radio, then let them know that G1TKX and his friends are
 considering forming a support group for them. Tony says that the
 group will try and provide help, training, encouragement to
 aurally handicapped radio amateurs worldwide.  If you are
 interested please contact G1TKX at the GB7MRU 19 packet bulletin
 board in Great Britain.

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                             HAM BBS

    KB0DSW's says that his Amateur Radio BBS is open to all that
 wish access.  You can reach the BBS at area code 701, 839-2163.
 Its available 24hrs a day and accepts any rate up to 14.4 baud.
 The defaults are the standard 8-N-1.  Sysop Tom Herrod says the
 board caters to a wide variety of needs, and specialize in
 Amateur Radio and SWL programs and information.  It also has an
 On-line CD-Rom, SAM-Amateur Radio CallSign Database and serves
 as a local Packet GateWay.

 *****
                  AMSAT AREA COORDINATORS NEEDED

    AMSAT North America says that it needs Area Coordinators in
 all parts of the country as part of an effort to increase the
 visibility of AMSAT's existing satellite operations and Phase
 IIID developments.  Area Coordinators are volunteers whose
 activities may include AMSAT booths at hamfests, local AMSAT
 nets, presentations to local clubs in addition individual
 "Elmering".  Through their activities these Area
 Coordinators increase awareness of the radio amateur satellite
 program in addition promoting AMSAT membership and fund raising
 for the Phase 3D satellite.  Contact AMSAT if you're interested
 in taking on such a job.

 *****
                               DX

    In DX, the Golan Heights as OH3MIG/4U will be active until
 sometime in December.  This counts as Syria for DXCC credit and
 you are advised to QSL as directed.

 *****
                       BROADCAST HAMS LIST

    Hams who work in or are retired from any aspect of
 professional broadcasting should drop a note to Rich Aronson
 K2RVM and have your name and call sign added to a list ham radio
 broadcast professionals.  According to a note from Hank Flokerts
 K4KO, he recently turned the duties of compiling the list over to
 K2RVM after doing the chore for a number of years.
    The service originated as a roster of hams who were Nabet
 Union engineers employed at NBC.  It has since been expanded to
 include hams in every aspect of the business including air talent
 and management.  The latest list, and the last put out by K4KO
 includes hams at ABC, NBC and Fox.  Your help is needed to make
 it include every ham who works in the broadcasting industry.
    If you are a broadcasting professional and if want your name,
 call and affiliation added to this growing list, please drop a
 note to Rich Aronson, K2RVM, 207 Cinnamon Way, Flat Rock, North
 Carolina 28731.
    Sorry, but this list is available only to those hams who work
 in the broadcasting industry.  If you want a copy please send a
 standard business sized SASE to K2RVM.

 *****

    For this week, that's all from the Amateur Radio Newsline.
 You can write to us at Post Office Box 463 in Pasadena, CA
 91102.

 * * * Newsline Copyright 1993 all rights are reserved. * * *

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Date: 29 Oct 93 12:31:15 EST
From: swrinde!sdd.hp.com!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu!miavx1!miavx3.mid.
Subject: BAUD VS BAUDS
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Roy) writes:
> IS THE TERM BAUD LIKE MOST PEOPLE USE OR IS IT BAUDS LIKE THE ARRL FOLKS
> USE?
> Roy


I think it is  "BAUD";  singular form like   "73" .


 73 >< Carl

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 15:22:26 GMT
From: mulvey![e-mail]
Subject: Bird watt-meters can't be exported?
To: [e-mail]

danny burstein ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <pschleck.751603812@cwis> [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) writes:

: >In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers ) writes:

: >>In article <2agaqq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gregory K Doerschler) writes:
: >>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dave Horsfall) writes:
: >>>>So, what's with the "Not available for export" notation across the
: >>>>photo of the Bird meter in the Barry ads?  Too delicate?  Upsets
: >>>>someone's monopoly?  Munitions?  Classified equipment?
: >>>
: >>>The meter would have to be recalibrated to read foreign watts.
: >>>
: >>>                                                     Greg


: >>Don't be silly.  There is no such thing as foreign watts.

: >>For export, you need to recalibrate the Bird wattmeters to read
: >>in voltage watts, not current watts.

: >Ya know, someone is going to come along and take you guys seriously,


: no, boys and girls. the problem is that the coriolis effect would have the
: meter rotating backwards in the southern hemisphere.

   Does that mean that it won't work when you're exactly over the equator?

- Rich

--
Rich Mulvey                 Amateur Radio: N2VDS              Rochester, NY
[e-mail]         "Ignorance should be painful."

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Date: 1 Nov 93 03:59:05 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Daily Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for 31 October
To: [e-mail]

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 304, 10/31/93
10.7 FLUX=091.5  90-AVG=094        SSN=042      BKI=0032 1112  BAI=004
BGND-XRAY=B1.8     FLU1=2.7E+05  FLU10=1.1E+04  PKI=1132 2223  PAI=007
  BOU-DEV=004,002,021,015,008,009,007,019   DEV-AVG=010 NT     SWF=00:000
 XRAY-MAX= C5.3   @ 1148UT    XRAY-MIN= B1.3   @ 2336UT   XRAY-AVG= B4.9
NEUTN-MAX= +003%  @ 2215UT   NEUTN-MIN= -002%  @ 0645UT  NEUTN-AVG= +0.6%
  PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 2225UT     PCA-MIN= -0.4DB @ 2325UT    PCA-AVG= -0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55365NT @ 0737UT   BOUTF-MIN=55337NT @ 1803UT  BOUTF-AVG=55355NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT   GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT  G7-AVG=+069,+000,+000
GOES6-MAX=P:+109NT@ 1701UT   GOES6-MIN=N:-065NT@ 1048UT  G6-AVG=+090,+016,-036
 FLUXFCST=STD:090,090,090;SESC:090,090,090 BAI/PAI-FCST=006,008,008/010,010,012
    KFCST=2223 3322 2233 3222  27DAY-AP=006,005   27DAY-KP=1112 3222 1111 1322
 WARNINGS=*SWF
   ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 30 OCT 93 was  43.0.
      The Full Kp Indices for 30 OCT 93 are: 2+ 1- 2- 1+   2- 1+ 2- 2o

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 05:04:06 GMT
From: swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu![e-mail]
Subject: How to read Geophysical Data
To: [e-mail]

How does a person interpret the Daily Solar Geophysical data?  Looks confuling
to me but someone must know.  Thanks.


-Brant


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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 01:03:15 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: Studying in San Francisco
To: [e-mail]

Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Michael Sattler) writes:

: >I'd heard it said (back in CB days) that a mobile antenna interacts
: >with the vehicle it's mounted on: a center-of-the-roof mount made
: >for a round pattern while a rear-bumper mount makes for a cigar-
: >shaped pattern that leads the vehicle.  Is this true?  Does this
: >affect whip antennae that drape over the entire vehicle?

: Yes, this is true at lower frequencies such as 11 meters and the
: rest of the HF spectrum. It's also *somewhat* true at VHF and UHF,
: but less so. What you need is a groundplane that extends for a
: quarterwave in all directions at the frequency of operation. That's
: basically the entire car at CB, but at 70 cm it's only 6.9 inches.
: Mounting a UHF antenna on the trunk or fender can distort the pattern
: from *shadowing* by the greenhouse and top of the auto, but that's
: a different thing than the issue of groundplane symmetry. Center of
: the top mounting is always preferred when it's mechanically feasible.

Thanks for the reply.  If what you say is true, then why do so many
people (including the military) mount huge whip antennae with shiny
loading coils on their bumpers?

I was looking at a Radio Shack magnetic roof-mount antenna, but any
other suggestions are welcome.
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               All that is required for evil to triumph is
                for {wo}men of good will to do nothing.

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 23:49:27 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: GAY INTERNATIONAL HAM RADIO CLUB

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mr. Nice Guy) writes:
>
>Support immorality or we will sue you, this seems to be the gay's message.

No. The ARRL is not an organization that has anything to do with morality
or immorality, unless we're talking about something like jamming a repeater
engaged in emergency traffic.

You have a perfectly good church, probably several, just down the street.

Don't ask them to come up with a band plan.

Don't ask the ARRL to decide which member goes into which orifice and
on whom.

It's really very simple. In America we seperate religious from secular.
Why? Because it's better that way.

Greg

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 23:34:39 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Gays vs. ARRL (was:  <an ad for a gay radio club>)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Herman) writes:
>   If QST represents the ARRL, and the ARRL represents it members, and
>if the membership doesn't want your ad to appear, then what grounds do
>you have for a complaint? Why should the ARRL (i.e., the membership) go
>against the wishes of its members? Seems rather contradictory to me.

This has been answered in this group before.

As an organization which serves as an auxiliary arm of the US Government,
(i.e. administering exams, (petitioning to be) a controlling point for
administration of special call-signs, providing some law-enforcement
assistance), the ARRL is in a special position. It takes on the legal
obligation not to discriminate. The 'membership' can't have it both
ways.

And, in taking on representation of hams as a whole, it has the ethical
responsibility to distance itself from issues of personal morality which
fall outside of amateur radio. If you are a Baptist, and believe personally
that Wiccans are immoral, that's your privilege. But the ARRL is not
chartered to either validate or invalidate that position.

Thus, when you insist that LARC be excluded from QST, you are being
unreasonable. And when LARC asks that it be distinguished (outside
of discrete, paying ads) in the pages of QST, *it* is being unreasonable.

A reminder, for you amateur 'Constitution Scholars,' that certain acts
of the government are excluded, even if they be the 'will of the people.'

Greg

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 23:44:50 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: GAY INTERNATIONAL HAM RADIO CLUB

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>[e-mail] (Joe B. Simpson) wrote:
>
>>Obviously publicity.  If they didn't wan't publicity (not about the
>>existance of their organization, but about their complaint against ARRL)
>>they would submit their ad and shut up.  Instead, they're continuing to beat
>>the dead horse and demanding that the ARRL give them coverage in the magazine
>>besides just the ad.  They're demanding public apologies and such.  Or didn't
>>you see all those demands earlier in this thread?
>
>No, I didn't see a demand for articles.  Could you find the posting in
>which someone from LARC says "We demand that QST publish articles about
>us"?
>
>--
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Jack Hamilton            POB 281107 SF CA 94128  USA
>[e-mail]           kd6ttl@w6pw.#nocal.ca.us.na

Jack has inadvertantly hit the nail on the head.

Other than the demand that the ad be accepted, which has already been
printed, the other 'demands' seem to consist of non-specific jumping
up and down and hand waving.

I, and others, have asked LARC time and time again 'what do you want,
specifically.' They have thus far ignored all calls for substantive
and specific demands.

I have suggested what I thought to be a reasonable set of requirements
that the ARRL meet in order to get LARC to drop their complaint. Now,
we all know that the ARRL staff has seen this posting, as have LARC's
representatives.

LARC, formerly very vocal, managed to let this one slide by without
comment. Neither has Mr. Sumner replied (and unless the HQ staffers
who read this group are really out of it, he has certainly had
the opportunity to read and comment).

I suspect that if either side would just say "that would be fine
by us" or "that and just a little bit of difference would be fine
by us," the other side would be forced, by the court of public
opinion, to settle this and get it over with. Or look truly
ridiculous.

Instead, they both clam up, in the vain belief that they don't
look truly ridiculous in their obstinate silence.

I'm sorry to say that I begin to believe, with a number of other
posters, that LARC's officers, along with the ARRL Board, are
feeding their egos with this little pissing contest, and are
rather enjoying it.

Oh well. The membership and amateur radio loses, the lawyers win.
Again.

Greg

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 03:41:45 GMT
From: swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Gays vs. ARRL (was:  <an ad for a gay radio club>)

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Greg Bullough)
wrote:
>
> As an organization which serves as an auxiliary arm of the US Government,
> (i.e. administering exams, (petitioning to be) a controlling point for
> administration of special call-signs, providing some law-enforcement
> assistance), the ARRL is in a special position. It takes on the legal
> obligation not to discriminate.

How is that? Is there a federal gay rights statute? I am not aware of one.
By the way, aren't the armed forces a branch of the US government too, much
more than the ARRL? I don't think this kind of argument does LARC any good.

The 'membership' can't have it both
> ways.

Actually they can, by claiming that that the issue has nothing to do with
amateur radio, and by dismissing it under the pose of a "neutral" stance.
They can, but I agree, they shouldn't.
>
> And, in taking on representation of hams as a whole, it has the ethical
> responsibility to distance itself from issues of personal morality which
> fall outside of amateur radio. If you are a Baptist, and believe personally
> that Wiccans are immoral, that's your privilege. But the ARRL is not
> chartered to either validate or invalidate that position.

I happen to agree, but the other side does have a valid point, which we
shouldn't laugh off too quickly. There is more to morality than religion.
Many people hold that homosexuality is immoral on a non-sectarian basis
(the same way that an atheist would probably consider murder immoral), and
it is a fact (sad, in my opinion, but still a fact) that homosexual
relations are illegal in a number of states. From a certain point of view,
which I don't happen to share, a gay radio net or club promotes objectively
immoral and illegal activity, quite apart from personal religious
commitments of any kind. My own opinion is that, even if this were so, it
wouldn't matter, for the same reason that I would approve of a
"safecrackers' net" that didn't actually facilitate safecracking on the
air. Until LARC starts to promote obscene language or explicit discussion
of sexual practices on the air, I don't see why there should be a problem
myself. But I do recognize that others see it differently.
>
> Thus, when you insist that LARC be excluded from QST, you are being
> unreasonable. And when LARC asks that it be distinguished (outside
> of discrete, paying ads) in the pages of QST, *it* is being unreasonable.

Someone did suggest some articles on LARC, apart from the ad, but what is
wrong with that? I don't see your point. An informational article on LARC
(activities, accomplishments, and so on) in QST might actually do a lot of
good. If it is impossible to find an unbiased reporter, heck, publish two
opposing articles side by side!
>
> A reminder, for you amateur 'Constitution Scholars,' that certain acts
> of the government are excluded, even if they be the 'will of the people.'
>
> Greg

But is the government really involved here? I don't think so.

Charles
N9SQE

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 04:43:20 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Gays vs. ARRL (was:  <an ad for a gay radio club>)

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Charles R. Hohenstein) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Jeff Herman) wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don,
>>    If QST represents the ARRL, and the ARRL represents it members, and
>> if the membership doesn't want your ad to appear, then what grounds do
>> you have for a complaint? Why should the ARRL (i.e., the membership) go
>> against the wishes of its members? Seems rather contradictory to me.
>>
>> Jeff NH6IL
>
>Has the will of the ARRL membership ever been established? I am an ARRL
>member too, and I have no problem with LARC publishing an ad in QST. In
>fact, I would be troubled by any other decision, provided that LARC agrees
>to be bound by the FCC rules, which they obviously do (or else they
>wouldn't be licensed). But, as I remember, QST doesn't mind publishing the
>ad either, and the complaint is now about something a little more
>obscure--isn't it that LARC expects a promise from ARRL that they will
>never discriminate again??? I'm afraid this is where I begin to get lost
>about what's going on, and what the San Francisco chapter of LARC has to do
>with it, if anything.

Charles,
   I posed that question to Don because he stated that letters of complaint
had been written by members to the ARRL with regard to the ad.

Jeff

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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 03:19:39 GMT
From: swrinde!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Gays vs. ARRL (was:  <an ad for a gay radio club>)

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Jeff Herman) wrote:
>
>
> Don,
>    If QST represents the ARRL, and the ARRL represents it members, and
> if the membership doesn't want your ad to appear, then what grounds do
> you have for a complaint? Why should the ARRL (i.e., the membership) go
> against the wishes of its members? Seems rather contradictory to me.
>
> Jeff NH6IL

Has the will of the ARRL membership ever been established? I am an ARRL
member too, and I have no problem with LARC publishing an ad in QST. In
fact, I would be troubled by any other decision, provided that LARC agrees
to be bound by the FCC rules, which they obviously do (or else they
wouldn't be licensed). But, as I remember, QST doesn't mind publishing the
ad either, and the complaint is now about something a little more
obscure--isn't it that LARC expects a promise from ARRL that they will
never discriminate again??? I'm afraid this is where I begin to get lost
about what's going on, and what the San Francisco chapter of LARC has to do
with it, if anything.

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